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Civility

Reflecting on my own (mis)adventures in commenting 'round the blogosphere, and observing the differing proportions of heat and light that radiate in blogospheric discussion, I've been meditating on the question:

What is civility?

I'd say: a disposition which aims to treat an antagonist in such a way as to cultivate an environment of maximal mutual respect. Hence civility might be taken as an aspect of being humane - "reaching out" and acting on the assumption of an opponent's good faith.

I think, within limits, civility is defensible both on principle and as a matter of expediency.

On principle, we might be alive to the fact that, subjectively, the experience of "certitude" tends to press on us each equally (experience of conviction), even if the quality of our certainty - objectively considered - isn't the same.

Practically, if our goal is the truth (a big if), then it's in our interest to keep our temper in check, so that our judgment isn't distorted, and we don't put ourselves in the position where to admit being mistaken down the line also entails having to apologize for arguing obnoxiously on behalf of the mistake;

and:

we don't want to give our interlocutor-opponent any reason to feel that to accede to our view entails the admission that previously he was a "fool" or an "idiot" to think as he did.

In other words, the aim is to remove impedimenta to acknowledging merit in the opponent's view; humility is fine - but let's leave humiliation out.

That said, I do - to a point - value "passion" in argument: after all what we're disputing usually is a pressing matter of life (i.e., pertains to ethics-politics), and it seems artificial to treat differences over such things similarly to a merely "academic" discussion. I guess, as with many things, there's a fine line.

Speaking of lines, we each have a different one which, if crossed, nullifies the utility of civility. If it could be imagined, picture debating with somebody who propounded the merits of, say, rape. Presumably at some point in such a discussion, the proper response would be ... force.

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Paul, in my gut, I have two conflicting feelings about the tone of blogs -- especially the comments sections.
On the one hand -- whenever I read a stupid profusion of excremental/sexual words to describe a position, I skip it. Unless the writer is Henry Miller, I'm simply not going to read that [insert excremental/sexual word here] And I agree with you that the idea of 'winning the argument' has a tendency to take the place of finding the truth.
On the other hand -- there's something to be said for all the trolls, grafitti artists, and purveyors of red herrings out there. I love to read Kevin Drum's comment section partly because, for some reason, he attracts a bunch of trolls, who attract a bunch of counter-attackers. In general, I find the attacks even funnier than the trolls -- at each ridiculous comment,there is a veritable storm of sometimes complexly formed rebuttals. This tickles me.
These things seem to work themselves out, with the distribution of civility and incivility across the blogosphere being oddly predictable. Nobody, I think, will be uncivil on your blog, or on Crooked Timber, etc. But on Atrios, or Tacitus, there's a lot more malarky.

Posted by: roger at Jul 31, 2004 7:45:14 AM

Roger,

Good pts. There's definitely entertainment value - which is valuable - in people taking off the proverbial "gloves" and really having it (cp. Talk Radio). We'd lose a lot of amusement if everyone minded their p's and q's.

It's more to my taste at least to be reasonably polite - and I do think that civility is almost a prerequisite for a serious conversation (as opposed to a tournament). Appearances to the contrary notwithstanding, many of my views feel fairly provisional, so for me a fortiori there's motivation to approach things in a friendly spirit.

Posted by: Paul Craddick at Jul 31, 2004 11:34:31 AM

Interesting. I think for a great many people the goal is not truth at all, but validation or even conquest -- so, a better explanation for those trolls, and even perhaps for a lot of people who might, on the face of it, seem to be truth seeking. What I mean is: people looking for validation would have even more incentive to be civil than those seeking truth, no?

Posted by: paul goyette at Jul 31, 2004 4:50:01 PM

Paul,

I'm not entirely sure that I've taken your meaning, but ... I certainly think it's true that many motivations account for blogging and commenting - it's probably wrong to reduce the aims to any one desideratum: truth, exposure, validation, etc.

Admitting that doesn't preclude a hierarchy amongst the ends, though; trying to get to the bottom of something could be paramount, with the others trailing along as "more good besides."

I guess, if validation/approval is the main aim, then whether civility will be the surest means to attain it (or not) depends on the context: in some settings, maintaining one's composure could win praise, and in others really letting an opponent have it could do the same.

I think, at most, civility is a necessary condition (never a sufficient one) for a "shared inquiry."

Posted by: Paul Craddick at Aug 2, 2004 11:16:13 AM

In my experience, there are darn few people in cyberspace who are voicing their opinions because they want to be educated as to why their position is incorrect, or truly desire that the gaps in their knowledge be filled. Maybe... what? Five percent tops? The rest are here to lecture us, and to take umbrage that we don't immediately see their brilliance. And while posting a patronizing, sneering, "you're an idiot for believing that"-type of comment is not going to win any converts to your cause, neither is providing a well-mannered, rational, and logical retort.

I do very much agree with keeping your temper in check - if for no other reason than you are more apt to include typographical errors in posts you write while angry. Well, really it is more than that - you will rarely make your best case when angry, and thus it is almost always better to either forego response or wait to reply until you have cooled down.

There should be some room in online discourse for prodding and even goading - even though that may be interpreted as rudeness, or may inspire belligerence by the person who resents the prodding. While granting, as I previously suggested, that the majority of people don't want their ideas tested, sometimes people will respond positively even if you gently kick out the cornerstone of their argument.

As for the racists, trolls, and bullies of the Internet? (People in the theoretical category Paul described for advocates of rape.) I don't much care if they are offended by my remarks. They're not open to reasoned debate, they exist primarily to stir up trouble, and response should be more tempered by respect for the *forum* than by concern about how they will feel or response. You also, of course, must consider whether your fun in dealing with these people will be overshadowed by the impression you give to others when you choose to roll about in the proverbial mud - particularly with the creatures who make their home there.

I recently made the mistake of trying to reason with some bullies who had, for reasons both irrational and a bit hard to explain, decided to harass my wife. A couple of days ago, I decided "enough is enough", took off the gloves, and fired back. After a relatively short exchange, while I doubt they saw the error of their ways, they decided that they weren't going to win the fight and went scurrying back to their rat holes. So I guess there *is* a place for true incivility in online discourse.

Posted by: Aaron at Aug 2, 2004 1:45:58 PM

'And while posting a patronizing, sneering, "you're an idiot for believing that"-type of comment is not going to win any converts to your cause, neither is providing a well-mannered, rational, and logical retort.'

I take it that's a polite way of saying that I'm naive? Do I sense a pattern here?! :)

Good pts. all - civility has its time and place, as does its opposite.

Posted by: Paul Craddick at Aug 2, 2004 2:27:29 PM

Time for some civil disobedience.

This blog should be called Fragmenta Idiotica.

Posted by: jimmy at Aug 2, 2004 3:05:56 PM

Heh. That last post is a perfect conclusion to a post on civility.

Posted by: Chris at Aug 2, 2004 3:12:16 PM

Heh. No, Paul - I was just trying to explain why you sometimes have such a hard time getting your point through my thick skull. ;)

Posted by: Aaron at Aug 3, 2004 6:43:09 AM