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Walking the Fine Line

Chris Young, the proprietor (so to speak) of Explananda, is a very sharp
guy. He and I often differ, but I consider him a member of the
intelligent and honorable opposition.

He has a recent post up which he "dedicates" to Republicans, though I think the piece is actually a challenge to anyone who
believes that, in light of Abu Ghraib, it's still defensible to "support" GW Bush. I'm no
Republican, and would qualify my support for President Bush in many ways, but I view the matter very differently than Chris does.

Read Chris' post to check my interpretation - my take is that the animating question at issue is: If the culpability of Bush vis-a-vis Abu Ghraib isn't a "firing offense," then what is? What does Chris understand Bush's culpability to be? Ignoring the laws of war (notably, the Geneva Conventions), which "led inexorably" (Chris' exact phrase) to the tortures of Abu Ghraib, and even murder.

I am aware of no evidence that shows that Bush and Co. authorized or welcomed wanton sadism - naked pyramids of prisoners, female soldiers gallivanting with nude male prisoners, impromptu electro-shocking of inmates, opportunistic sexual exploitation, etc. - or murder; i.e., elective cruelty for its own sake.

One could argue that rejection of the Geneva Conventions might create a climate in which abuses are more likely to occur; to a point I would credit such an argument, and the extent to which that
possibility wasn't an object of concern is blameworthy. (Though here one needs to be on guard
against circular formulations - in effect arguing that if any abuse occurred, then the possibility of it occurring simply wasn't taken seriously "enough" beforehand).

Anyhow, to acknowledge as much is a far, far cry from claiming that an "inexorable" logic connects policy to
prisoner abuse. In other words, in confronting the exigencies of the war against Islamism, policymakers have far more options than religious observance of Geneva or a saturnalia of cruelty. To suppose otherwise entails a failure of imagination, and reifies historical constructs - creatures of determinate conditions, intended to meet determinate ends - into principles/ideals of timeless validity; a tendency exemplified most uncritically by NGOs such as Human Rights Watch, which Chris quotes approvingly. (NB: the traditional "laws of war" - as generally recognized norms of/for belligerence - precede, and are independent of, agreements,
treaties, etc., which formalize and codify them).

To address Chris' question: in connection with Abu Ghraib, if there was evidence that the administration was glad to transform military prisons into little shops of horrors - an attitude which would evince striking
disrespect for prisoners AND soldiers - then that would certainly be a candidate "firing offense." There are other imaginable scenarios that aren't so far-fetched - but that the administration concluded that "the laws
of war" don't apply to certain kinds of "irregulars" is no firing offense in my book; on the contrary I consider the position to be plausible and defensible.

As I suggested above, where I will sympathize with the critics is in view of the fact that it's a dangerous, unpredictable business to sanction aggressive and violent interrogations - in effect an unshackling of the passions that can all too easily led to excess; again, a danger both to prisoners and soldiers.

Update: For another view that's closer to Chris' than it is to mine, but refracted through a different ideological prism, cp. Gregory Djerejian

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Paul, I continue, monotonously, to connect Abu Ghraib to the way we in the U.S. routinely treat prisoners. Bush's culpability with regards to the treatment of Iraqi prisoners pales, in my opinion to his culpability with regard to Texas prisoners when he was governor.
However... I think the culpability of this administration in Iraq has less to do with the violation of the Geneva convention, and more to do with their contemptuous rejection of the military advise that the occupation of Iraq would require around 400,000 soldiers. Everything springs from the initial fault of under-resourcing this occupation. Abu Ghraib is a great example. We know that the prison was understaffed and undersupervised. We know that the conditions in which the prisoners were snatched up were, often, completely absurd, the result of panic night time searches for an enemy that began to seem, to American GIs, like everyman and his son in your average Iraqi home. And we know that these things were entirely predictable from trying to rule a country "the size of California" -- as Donald Rumsfeld likes to put it -- with a force that is, what, 1 for every 200 Iraqis? The brilliant guys in the Pentagon arrogantly waved aside military experience, since they knew better, and this is what resulted.

The question for those who support the war in Iraq is: is this what they wanted? Do they support any war whatsoever, however incompetently managed, in Iraq? What is the threshold at which they say: enough is enough? Instead of saying: you are either with us or against us.

Posted by: roger at Aug 26, 2004 7:53:04 PM

Roger,

This takes us a bit off-topic from the post, however ... I take it that "is this what they wanted?" is a rhetorical question.

I think that a pretty serious question is begged - as in: the truth of what's actually at issue is assumed - with talk of the current situation being in effect the "end of the story" for Iraq. Things might look dire but one shouldn't be so fast to conclude that all is lost.

Observing a war in-progress seems to me to be like watching a trial, competitive sports, or even an election - in all cases "it ain't over 'til it's over." Plus the "obsevers" in the current instance have greater efficacy to influence the outcome, based on their real-time assessment of the proceedings. I wouldn't underestimate the power of negative self-fulfilling prophecies.

I don't deny that (serious) mistakes have been made, although there's something that bothers me about the "not enough troops" argument, though I can't quite put my finger on it yet (compounded by my lacking the relevant expertise). Also, I think that, from the outside, what's at issue between the views of Generals Shinsheki and Franks can cut either way: Shinsheki as the sober, experienced realist, with Franks as the hubristic gambler; or Shinsheki as the unimaginative conservative, and Franks as the visionary. I have no stake in either being the case - but I note that many usually seize on the former, uncritically I'd say. And there's also a more fundamental logical point at issue: that a plan ultimately fails doesn't mean that, at the time it was undertaken, it had no merit or promise.

Maybe what you're really driving at is whether the troop deployment issue is such an egregious mistake that it demands that one "throw the bums out"? Let's grant that
the troop issue was unforgivable; even still the prospect of the alternative administration needs to be weighed seriously, not just in the narrower light of whether it would better vis-a-vis Iraq, but overall (as consonant with one's values, and hopes for the country). A complex casuistry is involved in this which, so far as I know, can't responsibly be reduced to easy decisions (like "punishing" an incumbent).

As usual, we choose between bad and worse. Maybe this circles back to the theme of the post ...

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