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Iraq (Again)
It's finally happened: I've been provoked to break my silence over Iraq. This is probably a non-event to everyone but me; I had grown tired of the intractability of the debate, and had been glad to focus my scarce blogging energies elsewhere. But in light of Bush's recent speech, and much ado made about nearly nothing vis-a-vis the Downing memos, some of the hostile commentary struck me as deserving a response. What follows is an apologia for the invasion. I cannnot claim to answer every criticism and meet every objection - and those seeking More Geometrico will be sorely disappointed - but I believe that the following limns a respectably rigorous case.
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The best rationale of which I am aware for the invasion of Iraq may be stated succinctly as a set of four objectives, the meaning and justifications of which I shall develop below.
- To end, conclusively and decisively, the decade-plus, on-again/off-again war with Saddam Hussein. In so doing:
- To verify well and truly that Saddam had disarmed - and disarm him if he hadn't.
- To prevent an eventual, or disrupt an actual, collaboration between Saddam and Al Qaeda and/or likeminded groups.
- To attempt to establish a beachhead for political moderation and humane institutions in Iraq and, by example, beyond.
I believe that this was the core of the administration's case for invasion - a set of aims which is no mere welter, but rather an articulation of mutually conditioning parts; sc., a system. This systematic character will be shown presently, in reviewing the noteworthy lessons of 9.11.
The rhetoric the administration employed to present its case to the nation (and the world) involved hyperbole and a lack of nuance in various respects. In the grand scheme of imaginable state malfeasance, sins these may be, but rather venial ones; the officers of state exaggerated when ratiocination required no exaggeration. It's an interesting question to contemplate what factors - social, political, and the like - might have made various overstatements seem or feel exigent. The answers which suggest themselves are at least as unflattering to the citizenry (and the quality of world opinion) as to the leaders.
First, a pervasive fallacy needs to be cleared away. It consists of the view that, granted there is no conclusive evidence to establish an Iraqi hand in 9.11, it is illicit to "link" Iraq to 9.11 in any fashion whatever. To argue thus is to beg some of the most important questions (viz., petitio principii) in the dispute over the significance of the 9.11 attacks; namely, what the overall scaffolding or backdrop for those attacks was, and what actions would be needful in light of the lessons learned. (I will acknowledge, but pass over in this posting, a related, but slightly different criticism: sc., the adminstration never actually claimed, but strongly insinuated through various rhetorical devices, direct Iraqi involvement in 9.11, in order to win acquiescence from the general populace).
What were the outstanding lessons of 9.11? In my view:
- Western capitals are vulnerable to devastating attack.
- The great catastrophe to fear, and to avert, would be a similar attack involving WMD..
- We've got an enormous problem with Dar-Al-Islam in general, the Muslim Middle East specifically, and the Muslim-Arab Middle East in particular. At root, a crisis has come to a head within the Islamic world which, thanks to globalization, is spreading like contagion to remote corners of the globe. The Scylla and Charybdis of modern Middle Eastern Politics - the ruthless Secular Police State vs. the inept Kingly/Theocratic/Kleptocratic state - have incubated virulent, atavistic movements of reaction, sc., various Islamisms, of which Al Qaeda is the focal point, quintessence, or at least umbrella organization.
- The previous, in part, represents a "terror dividend" of the Cold War practice of making common cause with the region's despots, in order to check the metastasis of sovietization. With that nearly half-century struggle concluded, there is now more maneuvering room - and urgency - to promote liberalization and reform in the region (Unlike George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and most Leftists, I believe that such realpolitik, while undeniably distasteful, was defensible in principle; i.e., not malum in se).
IN what sense was Iraq, then, "of relevance" to 9.11, in terms of that day's antecedents and entailments?
- Two out of three of Bin Laden's Causi Belli against the U.S. centered on American Policy towards Iraq: (a) The Sanctions regime, and (b) the garrisoning of American Troops in Saudi ("The Land of the Two Holy Places"). Thus it was reasonable to fear that a burgeoning confluence of interest could/would obtain critical mass between the Islamists and a secular tyrant such as Saddam Hussein, who, at the least, could view the zealots as useful idiots. Furthermore, those policies contributed to the generally aggrieved mindset of many "mainstream" Muslims, causing them to look askance at the US and the West, and feel a kind of passive sympathy for Bin Laden et al; after all, so this thinking would go, the US was harming "Muslims" in Iraq, not simply Iraqis, and was defiling the holy places by the indefinite presence of troops. Hence the "soil of sentiment" was becoming more hospitable for anti-Americanism to take root .
- The policy of containment itself made American troops easy targets for asymmetrical mayhem - gratifying, emboldening, and encouraging Islamists and other enemies in the region: cp. Khobar Towers and the U.S.S. Cole.
- Any comprehensive response to 9.11 would be conditioned and constrained by the current state of play between the US and Saddam - it would be nearly impossible to alter the status quo in the Middle East with Saddam (or his successors, sanguinary or spiritual) regnant indefinitely.
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By far the most salient point, downplayed or downright ignored by most critics of the invasion (who often speak as if the current administration virtually invented the conflict with Iraq out of thin air, or highlighted it only for the sake of settling personal grudges or achieving personal aggrandizement), is that the US/UK had been in a de facto state of war with Saddam's Iraq since '91. That was recognized implicitly - albeit unconstructively and uncharitably - by the likes of John Pilger, who previously made much of the fact that the no-fly-zones were allegedly "illegal" (because not the result of a benediction from the UNSC) and provided the scene for the longest sustained bombing campaign in modern times. A cursory review of the timeline with Iraq throughout the nineties reveals a sequence of alternations between relative quiescence and abruptly awakened hostilities.
An "Internationalist" narrative enters the scene at this point, conceding the fact of conflict, but maintaining that somehow the UNSC had final say over the disposition of the fight. But the UN, let alone the UNSC, is neither a world government nor even a quasi-organic deliberative body; despite its august pretensions, it operates of necessity as realpolitik by committee. And, "Blue Helmets" notwithstanding, it cannot but "delegate" any enforcement work of consequence to the militaries of powerful member states; at which point enmities emerge with a logic and trajectory of their own.
In actual fact the US and UK bore the brunt of the burden, in blood and treasure, both in driving Iraqi troops from Kuwait and containing Saddam for over 12 years, and were the prime agents in fanning what minimal flame remained of the fire occasionally brought to his feet at the UN; but for their efforts (and, specifically of late, the buildup of American military force in 2002) other members of the P5 would not have exerted any pressure whatever to get Saddam to comply with the terms of the ceasefire to which he agreed back in 1991. Hence, the US and UK were the foci of Saddam's animosity and, as such, were the de facto deed-holders to a conflict only nominally between Saddam and the "International Community" - he well understood who his primary tormentors - sc., enemies - were (that the enmity had become particularized in this fashion is clear from the ambivalence of other P5 states to address the conflict of their own initiative; they had no positive stake, and perhaps it would even be to their perceived detriment, to intercede against Iraq - and Saddam deftly exploited the emergent factions).
The upshot of the foregoing is as follows. (1) out of a group of putative state enemies in the Middle East, Saddam's Iraq was sui generis in its relation to the US and UK - and even, if one can speak this way, to "The World"; and (2) as the actual deed-holders to the conflict, the US and UK were well within their moral rights to conclude matters in line with a prudent assessment of their national interests.
In the wake of 9.11, to an observer cognizant of the relevant history, Saddam Hussein therefore cut the following figure : an intractable enemy in an on-again off-again war of longstanding; a foe known to have been appreciative of terrorist handiwork in the past (and no stranger to dispatching his own agents for covert hits); an adversary known both to have used WMD within and without his own borders, and known not ever to have given a transparent accounting of his possessions and capacities vis-a-vis those WMD (and to have suffered attrition rather than do so); a nominally secular ruler receiving an ever greater sympathy from muderous religious zealots in his region, themselves avowed and active enemies of the US; a despot almost singular in recent times in the sadism visited upon his captive populace, creating a social atmosphere in which even Islamism might seem humane by comparison.
These, in ovo, are the considerations as to why it was eminently reasonable to investigate aggressively whether, not simply the context of the longstanding conflict with Iraq, but direct Iraqi intervention itself, was a co-factor in the 9.11 attacks. (And especially in light of the fact that the Clinton administration had used an Iraq-Al Qaeda connection as part of the justification for bombing Al Shifa in Sudan, and had alleged the same collusion in an indictment of Bin Laden issued in the same year).
Likewise, these reasons argued for ending, conclusively and decisively, the amorphous threat(s) entailed by the conflict with Saddam Hussein before they could germinate fully. To approach such a dangerous and unstable context with foresight and initiative (sc., "proactively") there needn't be any perceived "imminent" danger; in fact the traditional criteria of imminence - troops massing on a border, detection of materiel being readied en masse, etc. - do not apply to asymmetrical attacks. Hence anti-war theorists who leaned on such traditional just-war thinking were committing a category mistake. (And they all but ignored the fact that we were already in an effective state of war with Iraq).
In summation, over time the relationship of the US to Iraq entailed an increasingly untenable, and hence more and more risky (because unpredictable) situation - both on its own terms, and especially in light of the exigencies thrown up by 9.11. Scenarios were imaginable in which Iraq played a hand in facilitating future asymmetrical attacks of even greater lethality, and American forces and policy options were encumbered by the lamentable status quo, which was in need of a radical reappraisal and reordering. In short, the wider context of the stalemate with Iraq was itself an existential danger or "threat," as was the narrower - and reasonable - concern about possible Iraqi-sponsored attacks in the future.
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"But we know that Saddam presented no threat whatever," a critic protests. To the extent that we know that (an arguable proposition), we know it thanks to undertaking our own occupation and unfettered weapons-inspection. What counts in evaluating the wisdom of a decision is what is reasonably believed at the time of its undertaking, rather than what is revealed only subsequent to having undertaken it.
"But such-and-such critics said all along that Iraq had no WMD, etc." Let it be granted; but to make an accurate prediction is not the same as to make an advised prediction; nor does an accurate prediction imply, by stretch, that opposite expectations were ill-founded. Furthermore, focusing only on Iraq's capacity to launch or sponsor attacks obscures the wider backdrop and context of the conflict which placed Iraq, and our relation to it, very much closer to the center of events which led up to 9.11.
IN any event, by undertaking the drastic and ominous step of invading Iraq, the US/UK initiated the beginning of the end of a long-running war - concluding, on their own terms, what Saddam Hussein had begun and through obstinance maintained. Did 9.11 offer, then, a "pretext" - a handy "opportunity for opportunism" - to depose Saddam? Certainly, but a needful one: it ought to have been done in, say, '93. The lessons learned from 9.11 made the task all the more urgent.
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Paul, we of course disagree about Iraq. But we don't disagree about one thing:
a. It was in America's interest in the region to see Saddam Hussein fall.
What you skip is that the state of hostility that existed with Hussein since 1991 implies that we could manage hostility without invasion, since we did it for nine years. Furthermore, we knew that the area where we had interfered -- Afghanistan -- bred the terrorist threat. We knew what conditions breed a terrorist threat -- a weak or non-existent state, fights among different militias, an ideology that supported itself with reference to a messianic version of Islam. We knew that was not Iraq's state. And we knew -- even I knew, I wrote about it before the invasion -- that the Afghanistan-like state was the most probable outcome from invading Iraq. I wasnt alone in this thought. It occured to Bush I. If there was a time to actually overthrow Saddam, that was the time. But it passed. And with it passed the rationale for what Bush II decided to do.
Certainly I think there were great reasons to attend to the Gulf region, after 9/11, while we actually tried to destroy Al Qaeda, instead of allowing Bin Laden sanctuary in Pakistan and paying the man whose subordinates plotted with Al Qaeda to attack this country a welfare subsidy in order to pretend to hunt him annually, rather like the mythical bear in Faulkner's story.
And the reasonable thing to do, given those coordinates, was to ally with Iran, a gradual shift much like the shift against Russia and with China (a much more hostile and dangerous regime) that paid off plentifully. The old system was broken.
Instead, we have managed to maintain our hostility to Iran while putting in power old members of the Badr militia in Iraq, which is rather like our pension to Musharref for being a successful abettor of the 9/11 terrorists. It is insane, and points to a breakdown of intelligence of the policy makers in the Pentagon and in the White House.
There are many points to discuss, here, but your point, here, truly surprises me: "The previous, in part, represents a "terror dividend" of the Cold War practice of making common cause with the region's despots, in order to check the metastasis of sovietization. With that nearly half-century struggle concluded, there is now more maneuvering room - and urgency - to promote liberalization and reform in the region (Unlike George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and most Leftists, I believe that such realpolitik, while undeniably distasteful, was defensible in principle; i.e., not malum in se)."
Why do you think liberalization -- say democracy -- is at all in the American interest in the Middle East? I mean you know as well as I do that the abstract theory of democracy, separated from a robust analysis of real interests, gives us a Wilsonian policy of endless piety and unparalleled failure. Intervention without end. Myself, I think the intervening vehicle of piety is ridden by the demons of self-interest, but I will bracket that criticism.
As a human being, sure, I want to see the Iraqis enjoy an elective government, an autonomous judiciary, and prosperity for all -- a prosperity parallel to the seventies, when the nationalized oil companies provided a lot of wealth. This is a good time for nationalized oil companies -- Kuwait is reconsidering its plan to privatize, at the moment, because the powers that be have realized they can make a lot preserving the status quo.
Be that as it may, I don't see any justification found in American interest in your case for the occupation. If you are going to conflate democracy and American interest, I will be a little suprised. However, I do think that, in that case, Bush should have made that part of his 2000 campaign. He should have put it to the American people that he wanted to spend between 200 billion and 600 billion dollars bringing democracy to the good people of Iraq.
Alas, somehow it slipped his mind to include such an obvious popular proposal in his platform.
Although you might think the election in Iran was fixed, the fixing was icing on the cake -- there is a groundswell of support for a very radical form of Islamic government there, and it is tandem with the Iraqi government that made its first official act the apology to Iran for the 1980 war.
To sum up -- the pro-belligerant side is weak about why war, over alternatives, should have been chosen, and have no arguments about the timing of that choice whatsoever. But given that choice, the argument that we should be occupying the country is non-existent, which is why Bush makes up new reasons to do so every week or so.
Posted by: roger at Jul 1, 2005 4:55:07 PM
Roger,
Thanks for the comment.
Typepad's comments engine seems fubared at the moment - I'll reply to you when I get back on Tuesday.
Posted by: Paul Craddick at Jul 2, 2005 7:01:49 AM
Roger,
I wouldn't have expected to convince you - or anyone else who is passionately anti-invasion, for that matter - but I do wish that there was clearer evidence that you actually read carefully what I wrote. Your objections seem to gloss over the case I took care to craft.
Anyhow, Some brief replies to your challenges:
"the state of hostility that existed with Hussein since 1991 implies that we could manage hostility without invasion, since we did it for nine years"
No: the "management" had been eroding, precipitously: oil-for-food was a joke, administratively, rife with corruption; nominal "allies" in the region - and members of the p5 - were sanctions-busters; those same allies were less and less enthusiastic to support containment as it dragged on; etc. In sum: the policy saw ever more diminishing returns. Besides, your point simply ignores several of my key assertions; notably, the extent to which that very policy was a rallying-point for Islamists, eliciting region-wide sympathy for them. Furthermore, "containment" is a policy that only makes sense with respect to troop-to-troops, "symmetrical" warfare - it means little to nothing in light of an asymmetrical danger.
"Why do you think liberalization -- say democracy -- is at all in the American interest in the Middle East? I mean you know as well as I do that the abstract theory of democracy, separated from a robust analysis of real interests, gives us a Wilsonian policy of endless piety and unparalleled failure. Intervention without end."
Notice I didn't use the word "democracy" once - rather I used these terms: "liberalization," "reform," "political moderation" and "humane institutions"; as an excellent writer, you ought to be sensitive to the judicious choice of terms. An updated Millet system would certainly meet my criteria : as a vessel let's say, to navigate through the Scylla and Charybdis as I've characterized it.
I never have, and never would, commend a series of wars to "democratize" anywhere as an end in itself. But, since the invasion was needful in my view, and a invading power has a certain obligation to assist in restoring the invaded countries foundational institutions (to the extent that it can), in Iraq we have had a chance to nudge Middle Eastern politics in a more promising direction. Plus, to "promote liberalization" as a general orientation needn't entail endless belligerence, by any stretch. If you mean to suggest that there are great limits to what we can actually effect, as an external and alien power, then fair enough; but the social institutions in the Middle East are truly pathetic, by any humane standard, and until they shift in a better direction (however that comes about) we're in for trouble.
As to Iran, the very short - and, I admit, flip - answer is: we don't need another tyranny as an "ally" in the Middle East, especially one ruled by religious lunatics - we've got plenty already.
"To sum up -- the pro-belligerant side is weak about why war, over alternatives, should have been chosen, and have no arguments about the timing of that choice whatsoever."
This remark suggests that you scanned my post - you haven't engaged my arguments seriously. I directly address the matter in the paragraph which begins with "In the wake of 9.11, to an observer cognizant of the relevant history, Saddam Hussein therefore cut the following figure ..." and the one which begins with "In summation, over time the relationship of the US to Iraq entailed an increasingly untenable, and hence more and more risky (because unpredictable) situation ..".
But anyhow ... as to "why now?" (post 9.11), the short answer is: 9.11 provided an opportunity politically to do what was needful, strategically - especially needful in light of 9.11 itself; viz., to eliminate a longstanding risk before its potential - and plausibly gathering - danger had germinated. If this was "pre-emption," it was of the lowercase-p variety; as I said, we chose to end a longstanding war which someone else had initiated and maintained, on our own terms - because we still had enough "leverage" to control those terms a bit.
Finally, your use of the locutions "pro-belligerent" and "why war, over alternatives" implies that you haven't acknowledged that we were already in a state of war with Iraq. The choice was to invade, or keep up the pell-mell policy of lower-level warfare, and hope for the best - which, as I argue, was folly.
Posted by: Paul Craddick at Jul 5, 2005 9:48:00 PM
Paul, I'm sorry that you feel I scanned your defense, rather than fully comprehending it.
I could make several points, but let me just zero in on one.
You quote me writing:
Why do you think liberalization -- say democracy -- is at all in the American interest in the Middle East? I mean you know as well as I do that the abstract theory of democracy, separated from a robust analysis of real interests, gives us a Wilsonian policy of endless piety and unparalleled failure. Intervention without end."
And you say:
"Notice I didn't use the word "democracy" once - rather I used these terms: "liberalization," "reform," "political moderation" and "humane institutions"; as an excellent writer, you ought to be sensitive to the judicious choice of terms. An updated Millet system would certainly meet my criteria : as a vessel let's say, to navigate through the Scylla and Charybdis as I've characterized it."
Now, Paul, if you were running this war, I'd say this was fair. But you are defending the war. The man who is running it, or at least from the American side, Bush, scatters the words democracy and democratize like salted peanuts over his own explanations of the reasons we are in the war and have to continue to be in the war.
Now, am I to make from your defense that you think:
a. Bush is ignorant;
b. Bush is lying;
or c. Bush somehow means democracy is really liberalization?
This one point could be enlarged to the major theme of my response, and my dissatisfaction with your defense: a defense of the war has to be of the specific war we are fighting, rather than of a splendid ideal war we could be fighting. I've never heard Bush mention liberalization once. It is as if you are defending your client for pickpocketing when he keeps insisting he didn't kill anybody.
Anyway, I'm glad your trip refreshed the fountains, man. You haven't written so much and so consecutively in months!
Posted by: roger at Jul 6, 2005 8:33:53 AM
Here's a view from a blog new to me, Mott's Blog. Graph that caught my eye:
"The growing isolation of the terrorists in Iraq illustrates the trend as well. They are increasedly only foreign, often robbed of passports to keep them there after they see that the situation is wildly at odds with the radical views of Arab media, and frequently under the infuence of narcotics to help their "martyrdom" impulses. There will be more tragedy, more senseless deaths, but the trend is clearly emerging that a new Iraq is taking hold."
He seems to be well informed, measured and thoughtful, so I hope the above statements are based on sound information; intuitively they sound about right and are roughly in sync with other recent information, such as more Sunnis showing an interest in participating in the political process. Time, well spent, will tell.
Posted by: Michael B at Jul 6, 2005 11:36:27 PM
Also, a report concerning southern Iraq with some comments concerning Baghdad as well, at Juan Cole's blog I'm surprised to note, by a British reservist who spent six months there, only recently returning. Final graph is noteworthy:
"We all fuss about American losses but the Iraqis have had far greater losses. You talk about militias and yet you know that after every bombing more and more Iraqis nevertheless move to join the Police and the Army. It is more than just because of high unemployment."
h/t Normblog
Posted by: Michael B at Jul 7, 2005 12:09:17 AM
Michael,
Thanks for the citations. I too hope that they're to be trusted (and, parenthetically, I think it's to Cole's credit that he printed the missive).
Generally, though, I think that "we" - spectators to the war, whether laymen or journalists - are subject to too many changing impressions; paradoxically both too close and not close enough to the action, to have a trustworthy sense of the vectors.
Hence I treat both good and bad news skeptically. Otherwise, one sees either the Andrew Sullivan phenomenon of a constant, manic oscillation between being convinced that all is lost to seeing suddently a new light ahead (a reason that I find him nearly unreadable these days); or one observes people simply believing whatever suits them.
Roger,
I think you raise a worthwhile point, though we certainly differ as to its significance.
Firstly, unless I flatter myself, I take it that your distinction between the actual war and my imagined "splendid, ideal" one means that, were my rationale essentially the same as the administration's, then the latter's case would be rather more rigorous and respectable. If so, I'm glad to take the compliment.
Now, note that in my piece I distinguish between the "core" of the administration's case, and its rhetoric. And note that I criticize the rhetoric, though in a fairly charitable spirit. Further note that, in part, I explain/mitigate the rhetoric by alluding to the demerits of the intended audience, i.e., the factor which constrains and shapes any rhetorician's presentation. So I blame both the rhetor and the audience.
True enough, the administration has used "Democracy" and "Democratization" as shorthand for its goal for a transfigured Middle East. This is most regrettable, in my view - both because there's nothing praiseworthy about Democracy per se, and also because it opens us up to "hoist by one's own petard" criticisms; like a point that you recently thought of significance at your blog, sc., the recent Iranian elections were allegedly more "democratic" than the 2000 election here. If so, so much the worse for Democracy.
In terms of the options you give me for parsing Bush's ideas vis-a-vis Democracy, I take it that they're not mutually exclusive? I'd say that there's an admixture of all of them present, though the "lies" are really more like rhetorical obfuscations, perhaps born in part of self-deception, than untruths issuing from baleful motives. The dishonesty I see is that expectations have been over-aroused or manipulated even vis-a-vis rapid and effective liberalization of Iraq, and other parts of the Muslim Middle East. I hope I'm wrong, but I see little reason to expect anything other than incremental improvements - but it's tough to do worse than the current political culture there.
I think it's fair to say that President Bush is confused about the relationship of "Democracy" to a properly liberal society, but I don't say that out of any smug take on his alleged "stupidity"; I'd say most people are similarly confused (eminent, educated bloggers foremost amongst them), and that this confusion is emblematic of many current problems. But, regardless, the term is a catchword to telegraph a whole host of associations which have immediate resonance for most people, in terms of the dominant values and myths of our time and place. So, again, my criticism is tempered by a bit of patience or empathy.
At the same time, Bush and his people haven't simply prattled on about "Democracy." I recall hearing the administration enunciate the following criteria of what we count as "Democracy": the rule of law (especially as regards women's and minority rights), a free press, an independent judiciary, and "free" markets. While there may be little hope of achieving something like this in Iraq, these are certainly desiderata, and they indicate that my less ambitious "free and humane institutions" is not far off the mark, as a synonymous locution for the kind of thing we aim for. The Millet system, as I intimated earlier, may be the best that can be achieved for Islam, politically; I'm honestly not sure.
By the way, have you read the NSS document of 2002? IF not, you ought to - it dovetails with the administration's public case for war on many points, showing that the case which you and many other allege was "always changing" was indeed rather more systematic - and also shows that my ideal retelling isn't especially far off the mark.
Posted by: Paul Craddick at Jul 7, 2005 2:39:49 PM
Paul,
Yes, very much agree with your warning against the (aptly named) Andrew Sullivan phenomenon. This is likely a decades long conflict, perhaps a 50 to 100 year conflict (and conceivably longer), so all manner of contingencies, highs and lows, etc., are to be expected. Hence your prescription, essentially for an evenly tempered approach - if I may put it like that, is sound. In that vein, the two references were offered not as an appeal to blindered optimism, but only as a couple of pieces to the overall puzzle and perhaps a counter to some blindered pessimism. In fact, due to some profound fissures and fault lines in the West I'm less of an optimist than others, though also would refrain from describing myself as a pessimist. At this time the future holds far too many unknowns and contingencies for one to be an overly enthusiastic pessimist or optimist. As Heraclitus indicated, "You can never step into the same stream twice."
We live in interesting times, and just perhaps, very interesting times indeed; little if anything should be taken for granted.
Posted by: Michael B at Jul 8, 2005 10:33:11 AM
I agree with the British reservist. The Iraqi people have suffered the most, not just in the war, but also before the war. The atrocities committed by the fascist Baath party were abhorrent to say the least. I have served two tours in Iraq. I have suffered the loss of close friends, both Iraqi and American.
Paul is right about the bottom line, we were already at war with Iraq. A military conflict was the only way to break the ineffective ceasefire. It will take years to bring stability, but this war is something the majority of Iraqis wanted. The ones that we are having a hard time with are the Sunnis, not surprisingly this is the same group that benefited from the previous political and military structure.
I know that the Balkans is a completely different case, but I served two tours there so I will make the comparison that I see as valid. We have been there trying to rebuild for over 10 years now, and we still have a long way to go. Iraq is obviously a more volatile area, and it will take even longer to establish a stable environment. Unfortunately, the only thing that will bring stability is patience and time.
My final point, arguing that the ground war was unjustified in Iraq is like arguing that a war was unjustified against Nazi Germany. All politics aside, the people in Iraq (and Germany) were suffering greatly. We cannot sit idle and allow atrocities to happen. If you want to argue against the justification of the war, I suggest you go to Iraq and talk to the people there. If that sounds too dangerous for you, go to Kuwait and ask them how they felt when their country was raped by Saddam’s Army before the first Gulf War.
JOSH
Posted by: Joshua Klickman at Nov 5, 2005 9:27:31 AM